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Unless everything we know now gets turned on it’s ear ( which could happen ) my dirt-low opinion of Peterson stands. Our oath to protect and defend is something I hold seriously, and the ball was completely dropped. That doesn’t come from a place of “well I’d run in with a Glock in each hand and a flashbang in my teeth.” It comes from being trained to act when it’s time to act. If at the very least you’re a bullet magnet so kids can run out of harms way. Again, thanks for slowing the roll. My pitchfork was just about sharpened and I was rewrapping my torch. |
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Gavin - I agree with you on 99.9% of your post. CPT A is right. You are always calm and the voice of reason on here. Personally, IDGAF if I was told on the radio Team 6 was 2 minutes out. KIDS are being KILLED. I couldn't live with myself knowing that and hide behind a concrete pillar. This guy was a pussy, mf'r.
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My experience has has been that when shit gets real, a lot of folks aren't quite what they would like to think themselves to be. Along the way, I also noticed that the biggest chest-thumpers in the briefing room and team room tend to be the ones that always find some other task to do when the metal starts to hit the meat.
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I disagree and I'm the last person to MMQB. Furthermore, I've never been in a gunfight and yes I agree we don't know the whole context that led to him remaining outside. Finally, I don't think calling him a coward is necessary as his actions speak for themselves.
However, I believe you're asking the wrong question here. It's really not what we don't know, instead its what we know. We know at least 17 shots were fired in a high school with hundreds of students inside the building during the shooting. This is the known context. Unless it comes out that the deputy was unaware of the shots or somehow incapable of physically entering and engaging, what possible bit of information or circumstance can justify not entering? Quote:
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In Iraq I saw several guys with resumes heaping with badassary who suddenly had a family emergency to go back to CONUS after a convoy hit. And I'm talking hits that did not even require getting out for a gunfight. So I agree with those who point out that you will never know your reaction until you have to react.
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To pretty much directly quote the FLETC active shooter training: "Every shot fired is another dead kid."
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I've seen quite a few in my time. I even saw a guy get a man with a gun type call where he was close, turn around and go the opposite direction... The guy I wrote about with the rifle, was a loud bragger too. Before that incident, he asked me why I apparently didn't like him. (Guess I can't hide disgust well...) I told him he was loud, boisterous, and obnoxious and didn't know his ass from a hole... Sometimes I am too truthful and people don't know how to react... People sometimes group others in this arena as either cops or soldiers... Please note there are those that actually did/do both.
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Agree. Just about everything starts and ends with leadership.
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It’s just sad and equally disappointing to see or hear of such cowardice.
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I read an article that the coward, had a prior problem with this individual, an was scared of him but never reported it. Two other LEO are under investigation about him. an never turned in a report, as to what happened.
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To me, if this Officer is so right as rain, why resign with the speed he did post incident?
I will make room that he immediately saw his errors, took the second best path for him and retired. The above is very possible. We can all speculate, but it bodes ill for the Officer in question. Glad he is gone.
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Per this most recent report, several failed to close with.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/24...port-says.html
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The shit that is coming out below is two (2) reports I just received
CNN: Multiple Deputies Refused to Engage School Shooter Yes, you read the headline correctly. CNN -- the same leftist media organ that staged the so-called 'townhall' with scripted questions as a setup to take down the NRA -- has suddenly discovered another news squirrel. Perhaps they've recognized the blowback. At any rate, Jake Tapper just blew up the story of the derelict Broward County Deputy to a galactic level. Sources are now reporting that the Coral Springs police arrived on the scene to find MULTIPLE deputies with "pistols drawn" and "behind their vehicles". That's when Coral Springs police immediately entered the building, albeit too late to save any of the 17 victims. If CNN is turning their fire from the NRA toward Broward County, it must be serious. Stay tuned. Parkland Student Witnessed Deputy's Refusal to Enter School The story of derelict deputies continues to unfold in Broward County, Florida. Not only has the internal email from Coral Springs Police Chief to his officers been released in which he promised the truth will come out, now a student recounts witnessing Deputy Peterson cowering behind a stairwell. Senior Brandon Huff got a text from his girlfriend inside the building alerting him to the shooting. Huff immediately ran toward the building. As he approached he saw Deputy Peterson crouched behind a staircase, "pointing his gun at just a building." When Coral Springs PD arrived, three other deputies had joined Peterson in doing 'absolutely nothing' while 17 people were being slaughtered. |
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![]() I think if this is a person's primary objective, they should find a different job.
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[QUOTE" When Coral Springs PD arrived, three other deputies had joined Peterson in doing 'absolutely nothing' while 17 people were being slaughtered.[/QUOTE]
Cowards, all of them. They failed at their primary task. Fuck them. |
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If they are all acting the same, my first three theories are, in order; 1. They followed training or a set plan. 2. The first or senior deputy set the tone. Others see him doing contain and wait and they follow his lead 3. They all just failed to act according to training and plans
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If one officer refuses to do what is obviously required I think cowardice.
If four officers from the same agency refuse to do what is obviously required I think: 1) Bad policy 2) Bad training 3) Piss poor leadership 4) All of the above Shame on this department for making SRO what appears to be a tailgate assignment.
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