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Old 22 September 2019, 11:39
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Oklahoma and Ohio State don’t play anyone worth a shit out of conference either.
No we don't, and neither does anyone else on a regular basis either. And that is a problem for me as a fan of CFB. Why aren't Power 5 conferences playing an out of conference schedule that includes at least 3 games against other Power 5 conferences?

Good for TV, good for the fans, good for CFB. Do non-Power 5 teams really need $300-500K to get their butts kicked on the road?

Ohio State hasn't been tested yet, but there isn't a team out there I fear in a one game playoff. We're under the radar finally.
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Old 22 September 2019, 11:44
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Loved watching ND's hopes get crushed.
LOL. What hopes? Was Notre Dame talked about as contenders or something?

ND, for better or worse, is always artificially "in the mix" until they get crushed late in the season or postseason. They played okay yesterday, had chances late in the game, and even had an opportunity to win it on their last drive but it stalled at the Georgia 38 yard line.

They played good against a good team - on the road. Props to ND for showing up in a big game that wasn't against a cupcake.
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Old 22 September 2019, 11:51
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No we don't, and neither does anyone else on a regular basis either. And that is a problem for me as a fan of CFB. Why aren't Power 5 conferences playing an out of conference schedule that includes at least 3 games against other Power 5 conferences?

Good for TV, good for the fans, good for CFB.
Exactly how I feel and it’s why I prefer NFL over college.
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Old 22 September 2019, 11:54
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Watched Wisconsin mud stomp the Wolverines yesterday....I think Harbaugh's days are numbered. At one point on the sidelines he looked like that dude on the television show 'Ghost Adventures' LOL....
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Old 22 September 2019, 15:32
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I called my father this morning to see what games he watched.

Of course the talk was around Michigan vs Wis, and the stomping U of M got. He was never a Harbaugh fan, but he also agrees that his days are numbered.

Of all the years of watching Michigan, I have never seen them play so poorly.

Texas A+M is Texas A+M. It seems they are always a tad of all and not firing on all cylinders. I heard one commentator say that next year is their year. I have been hearing that for 30 years.

Unfortunately they have a brutal ahead of them: Alabama, LSU, Georgia. Plus it seems every year Arkansas gives them a run for their money.

The OSU vs Texas was a fun game to watch.
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Old 22 September 2019, 15:43
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5 of the AP top 10 teams are from the SEC.

I'm just sayin....
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Old 23 September 2019, 08:49
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No we don't, and neither does anyone else on a regular basis either. And that is a problem for me as a fan of CFB. Why aren't Power 5 conferences playing an out of conference schedule that includes at least 3 games against other Power 5 conferences?

Good for TV, good for the fans, good for CFB. Do non-Power 5 teams really need $300-500K to get their butts kicked on the road?

Ohio State hasn't been tested yet, but there isn't a team out there I fear in a one game playoff. We're under the radar finally.
The "Power 5" and "Group of 5" thing were an arbitrary and totally made-up designation made up by "Power 5" officials, who gamed the system. Part and parcel on why the playoff system is just a sham in its' current iteration.

But yeah, when Go5 (or FCS) can fund almost the entirety of their football program playing Alabama (looking at you, Mercer), why not?
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Old 23 September 2019, 09:04
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I’m still trying to figure out why ‘Bama has 4-5 cupcake games on their schedule (Duke, New Mexico St., Southern Miss, W. Carolina). Tennessee is an SEC game, but a cupcake given their program this year. No offense Dave. So far we’re four games into the season, and Alabama has yet to see any challenge. South Carolina was their only SEC matchup so far.

Oh yeah... GO DAWGS!!!
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Old 23 September 2019, 15:42
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No offense taken, JAFO. I’ve been through the stages of grief and finally arrived at acceptance. It’s to the point teams will start paying us to be their Homecoming beat down. We’ll suck until Peyton’s son comes along to save the day.
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Old 25 September 2019, 10:35
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Army has been impressive so far.

Their last game against Morgan St was a bulldozer.
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Old 25 September 2019, 11:50
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No we don't, and neither does anyone else on a regular basis either. And that is a problem for me as a fan of CFB. Why aren't Power 5 conferences playing an out of conference schedule that includes at least 3 games against other Power 5 conferences?

There are several factors involved in this. None of them pleasant for the fans.

The scheduling process for in conference play is set by the conference. As for out of conference teams, Several coaches at Power 5 schools like Saban and Meyer have gone on the record as saying that once you establish a good program, very few other Power 5 schools want to play becasue they are wanting to either get their program into the polls or get them higher into the polls. And the polls have consistently rewarded wins over "quality" wins. This is how Clemson will stay at #1 all season.

The other problem is that out of conference schedules are set a few to several years in advance and most teams not named Alabama fluctuate in the quality of their on field products. When UCF scheduled Stanford, Stanford was competing for the PAC-12 championship. Teams playing Louisville this year out of scheduled them when they had a Heisman candidate.


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Do non-Power 5 teams really need $300-500K to get their butts kicked on the road?
For small FBC and most FCS programs, one or two games against Power 5 programs will pay for their entire year. This allows them to earn more money to build better programs and compete within their smaller conferences.

FCS Eastern Washington competed for the FCS national champioship after playing Power 5 Washington State and they Played Washington this year. They were paid $550k.

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So we’ve tried to schedule two opponents — Power Five opponents — every year. We have one time in the next 10 years, we’ve succeeded at doing that. So unless we change the culture of how we all agree to schedule, I don’t think that’s going to happen.

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Old 25 September 2019, 12:17
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I'd say UVA is gonna find out how honest their ranking is this weekend when they square off against the Irish, at home, after a road loss to Georgia. The Cavs better bring their A-game for this'un...
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Old 25 September 2019, 12:49
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Breaking news, Florida has scheduled a home and home with Utah in 2022 and 2023. 2022 is in Gville and 2023 in Utah.

This adds to out of conference games with USF and FSU.
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Old 25 September 2019, 14:01
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No we don't, and neither does anyone else on a regular basis either. And that is a problem for me as a fan of CFB. Why aren't Power 5 conferences playing an out of conference schedule that includes at least 3 games against other Power 5 conferences?

Good for TV, good for the fans, good for CFB. Do non-Power 5 teams really need $300-500K to get their butts kicked on the road?

Ohio State hasn't been tested yet, but there isn't a team out there I fear in a one game playoff. We're under the radar finally.
Unless of course those non “power 5” teams go on the road and beat the “power 5” team in their own stadium. I really wish we would just do away with that term. It’s meaningless.
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I called my father this morning to see what games he watched.

Of course the talk was around Michigan vs Wis, and the stomping U of M got. He was never a Harbaugh fan, but he also agrees that his days are numbered.

Of all the years of watching Michigan, I have never seen them play so poorly.

Texas A+M is Texas A+M. It seems they are always a tad of all and not firing on all cylinders. I heard one commentator say that next year is their year. I have been hearing that for 30 years.

Unfortunately they have a brutal ahead of them: Alabama, LSU, Georgia. Plus it seems every year Arkansas gives them a run for their money.

The OSU vs Texas was a fun game to watch.
Happy to see Michigan loose as well as A&M. Thought FSU was going to loose it again in the second half like usual. Not happy to see Blackman get hurt but we put Hornibrook who transferred from Wisconsin in and imho that’s why we won the game. Would like to see him get some more playing time.
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Old 25 September 2019, 14:33
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Unless of course those non “power 5” teams go on the road and beat the “power 5” team in their own stadium. I really wish we would just do away with that term. It’s meaningless.
It's not really meaningless.

The Power 5 conferences came about when they threatened to leave the NCAA and the NCAA caved leading to the BCS. The NCAA caved to preserve their control of the basketball tourney.
After the 2014 season, they threatened to leave again if the NCAA did not allow them to write their own bylaws, so the NCAA caved again. This lead to the BCS 20 (and the playoff system we have now).

With the TV payouts getting bigger the Group of 5 conferences are also making more money than ever so many of them are reluctant to change the system as well.

The Big 10 has announced that they will no longer schedule FCS teams so the demand for Group of 5 teams will increase enabling them to ask for more money to play.

The ship has long sailed on any sort of a fair playoff system for the national title that includes all FBS teams.
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Old 25 September 2019, 14:59
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It's not really meaningless.

The Power 5 conferences came about when they threatened to leave the NCAA and the NCAA caved leading to the BCS. The NCAA caved to preserve their control of the basketball tourney.
After the 2014 season, they threatened to leave again if the NCAA did not allow them to write their own bylaws, so the NCAA caved again. This lead to the BCS 20 (and the playoff system we have now).

With the TV payouts getting bigger the Group of 5 conferences are also making more money than ever so many of them are reluctant to change the system as well.

The Big 10 has announced that they will no longer schedule FCS teams so the demand for Group of 5 teams will increase enabling them to ask for more money to play.

The ship has long sailed on any sort of a fair playoff system for the national title that includes all FBS teams.
This whole post, particularly the last part, #truth
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Old 25 September 2019, 17:37
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It's not really meaningless.

The Power 5 conferences came about when they threatened to leave the NCAA and the NCAA caved leading to the BCS. The NCAA caved to preserve their control of the basketball tourney.
After the 2014 season, they threatened to leave again if the NCAA did not allow them to write their own bylaws, so the NCAA caved again. This lead to the BCS 20 (and the playoff system we have now).

With the TV payouts getting bigger the Group of 5 conferences are also making more money than ever so many of them are reluctant to change the system as well.

The Big 10 has announced that they will no longer schedule FCS teams so the demand for Group of 5 teams will increase enabling them to ask for more money to play.

The ship has long sailed on any sort of a fair playoff system for the national title that includes all FBS teams.
I understand the history of the term, and I get what you're saying. That doesnt change that they are still a division 1 FBS team just like every "non power 5" team. You will not find anything official about any "power 5" anywhere. The Big 10 also did away with the rule about the FCS teams. People can call a group of conferences whatever they want. They can call four conferences the God conferences if they want. That doesn't make it a real thing. The only thing that would give any real credibility to the term is that they control the playoffs. Since the NCAA is not affiliated with the playoffs, its irrelevant. Regardless of how anyone feels, the "power" conferences will always be home to some of the worst teams in the country, and the "non power" conferences will always be home to teams that most "power" schools have a good reason to be concerned about.
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Old 25 September 2019, 20:54
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The "Power 5" and "Group of 5" thing were an arbitrary and totally made-up designation made up by "Power 5" officials, who gamed the system. Part and parcel on why the playoff system is just a sham in its' current iteration.

But yeah, when Go5 (or FCS) can fund almost the entirety of their football program playing Alabama (looking at you, Mercer), why not?
I don't disagree with any of that, but I think it makes the case for an expanded playoff coupled with less cupcakes on the schedule and more FCS vs FCS teams in non-conference.

Maybe start a kitty for the smaller schools that lose revenue. They're kicking back a payoff to those teams anyway - bring a little socialism into the NCAA. LOL.
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Old 25 September 2019, 23:08
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I'd say UVA is gonna find out how honest their ranking is this weekend when they square off against the Irish, at home, after a road loss to Georgia. The Cavs better bring their A-game for this'un...
I'm not getting my hopes up to high but there is a chance though slim that UVa could beat ND, they had them beat 2 years ago but lost in the end. I'm hoping for a big upset, why not.
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