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Old 8 April 2005, 10:48
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Question Combat jumps in Vietnam War?

I'm currently researching combat jumps in the time after the end of WW2 to the present.

I know about a combat jump of the 2nd Battalion, 503rd Infantry, 173rd Airborne Brigade during "Operation Junction City" in Vietnam.

Was this the only combat jump in that conflict?
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S/L? That was the only mass jump, if you can call it a combat jump. IIRC SF had secured the DZ for that Op before the 173rd jumped in.

SF teams did some S/L inserts and there is the attached document concerning HALO jumps by MACV-SOG.
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The Corps had confirmed TWO and "maybe" a third....
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@Southoftheborder:

Date: 5 September 1967
Unit: USMC, 1st Force Recon
Operation: Oregon
Troopers: 10
Country: Vietnam
Drop zone: South
Aircraft: USAF C-7 Caribou
Type Air delivery: Night personnel, static-line jump tail gate jump

Were you refering to this jump? What's the second confirmed one?


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What is S/L?
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What is S/L?
Static line.
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I do believe III MSF ie III Corp "Mike Force" conducted 3 combat parachute jumps.

Bunard SF Camp 2 Apr 67
Nau Gai Mountains 13 May 67
7 Mountains Area 17 Nov 68

II Mike Force
Bu Prang SF Camp 5 Oct 67

CCS did at least 1 S/L insert in Cambodia. I had several beers with the 1-1 (APL) a few months ago.

ARVN Airborne did a few but I'd have to dig into my books to find the dates & locations. I believe it was US Advisor Team 70 was assigned to the ARVN Airborne Division...


I want to say there was a book called "Called Inside Force Recon" that talked about the 3 FR S/L inserts. Maybe a LTC Michael Lee Lanning & Major "Doc" Norton USMC ret wrote it. I'm not sure.

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Frank Norbury is mentioned in the above article. Was he a HALO instructor at Bragg in the mid 80's?
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Yes he was. I believe he was killed in the late 90's on a jump from a C-47 at the HALO school.
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I was wondering if any of the jumps done in Vietnam, outside of the one by the 173rd were awarded a star on the wings? I have never heard of any others being awarded except that one. I think the way the regs are written, it is hard to define a combat jump and be awarded the star.

Also, do Marines even have a method of indicating a combat jump on their wings? They don't have any senior or master wings that I know of.
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Yes he was. I believe he was killed in the late 90's on a jump from a C-47 at the HALO school.
Then I am sure he was an instructor in my HALO class, but I'm not sure if he was with us in my HALO Jumpmaster class. Didn't he have a son who was ALSO an instructor there? Came over from behind the fence?
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When I spoke the 1-1 from RT Auger he told me he did get a star for his wings. Also I believe that when HALO wings were authorized the SOG HALO guys were awarded stars. Cannot remember who told me that.

If interested there is a chapter in John Plaster's book SOG that talks specfically about the abn. insertions SOG did. There were even some ARVN led HALO insertions as well.

There was a book by Shelby Stanton on the 1st Cav Divison's ops in VN. In the appendix it mentioned the Cav's Pathfinder Det. did several parachute ops in support of air assults though I have never seen it confirmed anywhere else.
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The Marine Corps does not have an insignia for combat jumps per se, the gold wings parachutist wings are awarded for 5 specific types of jumps after jump school, 90 days in a jump billet, etc. However a lead sleder could make his first jump after airborne school in combat and be awarded gold wings automatically. This has been going on with 1st Recon Bn in Iraq.\

Not sure how many combat jumps the Marine Corps made in Vietnam but I read a story about a daytime combat jump, got realy ugly, one of the jumpers ( I think his name was Blackburn, not sure tho) was awarded a silver star.

Did the SEALS or PJ's make any combat jumps? You think this type of information would have been recorded a little better, sounds like an interesting project
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Did the SEALS or PJ's make any combat jumps? You think this type of information would have been recorded a little better, sounds like an interesting project
im not claiming to be an expert or anything, so dont quote me on it, but i dont believe SEALs did. the SEALs primarily operated via PBR and STAB's as that fit their AO the best. i know it was mentioned in "good to go" but the mission was later scratched. IIRC, the father of the SEALs, roy boehm did make at least one combat jump with his LDNN force towards the end of his tour. ill have to check his book. that would probably be the only instance in which a SEAL made a combat jump in vietnam.
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That brings up a good point, I think I read a book about 1stSgt Hamblin, an amputee who jumped in Vietnam, I think he was with MAC-V SOG then, I'm sure more combat jumps were made by guys on loan to the "agency" but of course there may not be an easy way of looking that up
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I just found this on a page called Gavin's Paratroopers :


Date: 2 April 1967
Unit: 5th Special Force Group (ABN), 1st Special Forces: CIDG Detachments, A-503 Mike Force & A-344, Operation Harvest Moon (Includes Montagnards)
Operation: Harvest Moon
Troopers: 300
Country: Vietnam
Drop zone: Bunard, Phouc Long "Happy Dragon" Province
Aircraft: C-123 Providers
Type Air delivery: Day Mass low-level tactical personnel static-line jump


Date: 13 May 1967 Unit: Mobile Strike Force (Mike Force), 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne): Detachment A-503, Co's. 3, 4 & 5; 4.2 inch Heavy Mortar platoon & Hdqts. group. Water jump (0600 hrs.) at 700 ft.
Operation: Blackjack
Troopers: 486
Country: Vietnam (SW corner)
Drop zone: Seven Mountains ( Near Chi Lang, 1km S of Nuai Yai) Aircraft: C-123 Providers
Type Air delivery: Day Mass low-level tactical personnel static-line jump


Date: 5 October 1967
Unit: 5th Special Force Group (ABN), 1st Special Forces: Pathfinder Detachment (12 SF, 37 ARVN Pathfinders), Co's 24 & 25, Detachment B-20, "B" Co II CTZ (Pleiku) Mike Force (50 SF) & 275 LLDB (Includes Montagnards)
Operation: Blue Max
Troopers: 374 with ARVN and Aussie Paras
Country: Vietnam
Drop zone: Bu Prang CIDG fighting camp, Quang Duc "Great Virtue" Province
Aircraft: C-130 Hercules
Type Air delivery: Day Mass low-level tactical personnel static-line jump

Date: 1968-73?
Unit: Military Assistance Command Vietnam, Studies and Observations Group (MACV-SOG)Airborne Studies Group (SOG 36)
Operation: Eldest Son, Italian Green, Pole Bean
Troopers: ? to sabotage enemy ammunition supply
Country: North Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia
Drop zone: ?
Aircraft: C-130 Hercules or MC-130 Combat Talon
Type Air delivery: Night, High-Altitude, Low-Opening (HALO) jump

Date: Three in 1970-71
Unit: Op 35, Command & Control North (CCN), Studies & Observation Group (SOG), High Altitude Low Opening team (HALO). Formerly classified.
Troopers: Country: North Vietnam Drop Zones: Ho Chi Minh Trail Aircraft: C-130 Hercules Type Air delivery: Night High Altitude Low-Opening (HALO)jump Jumped at 21,000 feet with oxygen, between 0001-0300 hours. Objective to close the Ho Chi Minh trail to NVA by calling in air strikes. Individually extracted by V rings on STABO harnesses worn by team members by helicopter lowering ropes/bridles using the STABO(Stabilized Tactical Airborne Operation) system.
Operation: Team Florida. 9 troopers. Nov. 1970
Operation: Team Alaska. 9 troopers. Feb. 1971
Operation: Team One Zero. 4 troopers. 15 April 1971
Also 13 separate static-line jumps.
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Date: Three in 1970-71
Unit: Op 35, Command & Control North (CCN), Studies & Observation Group (SOG), High Altitude Low Opening team (HALO). Formerly classified.
Troopers: Country: North Vietnam Drop Zones: Ho Chi Minh Trail Aircraft: C-130 Hercules Type Air delivery: Night High Altitude Low-Opening (HALO)jump Jumped at 21,000 feet with oxygen, between 0001-0300 hours. Objective to close the Ho Chi Minh trail to NVA by calling in air strikes. Individually extracted by V rings on STABO harnesses worn by team members by helicopter lowering ropes/bridles using the STABO(Stabilized Tactical Airborne Operation) system.
Operation: Team Florida. 9 troopers. Nov. 1970
Operation: Team Alaska. 9 troopers. Feb. 1971
Operation: Team One Zero. 4 troopers. 15 April 1971
Also 13 separate static-line jumps.

Some very brave men with big brass one's IMHO. Plus the crews that flew in to do the extract.
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I was going through some of my older books and magazines. Came across this note. "

The French Parachute forces are estimated to to carried out over 60 parachute operations in the first Indo-China War."

But they didn't have the helo assets we did ether.
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Concerning french combat jumps after WW 2 I came across this list:

French Combat Jumps 1946-1978.

Based on two books by Bragg and Turner.

1946.

24-4 Laos DemiBrigade SAS.
13-5 Laos DemiBrigade SAS.
8-8 Cambodia DemiBrigade SAS.
25-11 Indochina DemiBrigade SAS.

1947.

5-1 Indochina DemiBrigade SAS.
20-3 Indochina DemiBrigade SAS.
23-3 Laos II/1 RCP.
3-4 Laos DemiBrigade SAS.
10-4 Indochina DemiBrigade SAS.
15-4 Indochina I/1 RCP.
22-4 Indochina III/1 RCP.
24-4 Madagascar 6 coy de marche para.
2-5 Indochina
3-5 Madagascar 6 coy de marche para.
13-5 Indochina I/1 RCP, 1 BPChoc.
15-5 Madagascar 6 coy de marche para.
30-5 Indochina DemiBrigade SAS.
27-6 Indochina III/1 RCP.
7-7 Madagascar 6 coy de marche para.
7/8/9-10 Indochina Airborne Brigade.
26-11 Indochina I/1 RCP.
26-11 Indochina III/1 RCP.
25-12 Cambodia DemiBrigade SAS.

1948.

7-1 Indochina I/1 RCP.
11-1 Indochina 2 BCCP.
23-1 Indochina 1 BPChoc.
8-2 Indochina 1 BPChoc.
14-2 Indochina 1 BCCP, 2 BCCP.
18-2 Indochina I/1 RCP.
5-3 Indochina 1 BPChoc.
7-2 Indochina Parachute Battalion.
21-4 Indochina 1 BCCP.
26-4 Indochina Para coy 3 REI.
30-4 Indochina 2 BCCP.
1-6 Indochina 1 BCCP.
9-6 Indochina Para coy 3 REI.
7-7 Indochina 2 BCCP.
12-7 Indochina 2 BCCP.
17-7 Indochina 2 BCCP, 5 BCCP.
31-7 Indochina 2 BCCP, 5 BCCP.
5-8 Indochina 2 BCCP.
16-8 Indochina 2 BCCP.
9-10 Indochina Para coy 3 REI.
17-10 Indochina I/1 RCP.
24-10 Indochina I/1 RCP.
7-11 Indochina I/1 RCP.
15-11 Indochina Para coy 3 REI.
28-11 Indochina 2 BCCP.
7-12 Indochina I and II/1 RCP.
24-11 Indochina 5 BCCP.

1949.

7-1 Indochina Muong Partisans.
19-1 Indochina 3 BCCP.
30-1 Indochina II/1 RCP.
15-2 Indochina II/1 RCP.
7-2 Indochina 2 BCCP.
4-3 Indochina 2 BCCP.
12-3 Indochina 3 CIP.
18-3 Indochina 1 BEP.
24-3 Cambodia 2 BEP.
10-4 Indochina 3 BCCP.
12-4 Indochina 3 BCCP and Muong Partisans.
19-4 Indochina 3 BCCP.
29-4 Indochina 1 BEP.
30-4 Indochina 5 BCCP.
2-5 Indochina II/1 RCP.
7-5 Indochina II/1 RCP, 1 BEP.
19-5 Indochina 2 BCCP.
27-5 Indochina Muong Partisans.
2-6 Laos 2 BCCP.
8-6 Madagascar GCCP Madagascar.
16-6 Indochina 2 BEP.
29-6 Indochina 2 BCCP.
17-7 Indochina Muong Partisans.
27-7 Indochina Muong Partisans.
18-8 Indochina 5 BCCP, 1 BEP.
17-8 Indochina 2 BCCP.
26-9 Indochina 2 BCCP.
13-10 Indochina 2 BCCP.
14-10 Indochina 1 BEP.
16-10 Indochina II/1 RCP, 3 and 5 CIP.
16-11 Indochina 2 BEP, 2 BCCP.
27-11 Indochina 1 BEP.
28-11 Indochina DBCCP.
23-12 Indochina 5 BCCP.
26-12 Indochina Base South.

1950.

11-1 Indochina 6 BCCP.
26-1 Indochina 1 BCCP.
11-2 Indochina 3 BCCP.
20-2 Indochina 1 BCCP.
24-2 Indochina 3 BCCP, 5 BCCP.
29-3 Indochina Base South.
31-3 Indochina 1 BCCP.
20-3 Indochina 1 BEP.
21-5 Indochina 2 BEP and Para Medics.
22-5 Indochina 6 BCCP.
27-5 Indochina 3 BCCP.
11-6 Indochina 3 BCCP.
20-6 Indochina 6 BCCP.
20-6 Indochina 2 BEP and Para Medics.
4-8 Laos 3 BCCP.
1-9 Laos 3 BCCP.
4-9 Indochina 6 BCCP.
16-9 Indochina Tho and Nhung Partisans.
17-9 Indochina 1 BEP.
19-9 Indochina 7 BCCP, 10 BPCP.
23-9 Indochina 2 BEP.
27-8 Indochina 10 BPCP.
1-10 Indochina 3 BCCP, 7 GCCP.
8-10 Indochina 3 BCCP, 1 BEP.
26-10 Indochina 1 GCCP.
24-11 Indochina 2 BEP.
30-12 Indochina 6 GCCP.

1951.

1-1 Indochina 7 BCCP.
9-3 Indochina DemiBrigade Colonial Paras.
30-5 Indochina 7 BPC.
12-6 Indochina 7 CIP.
8-8 Indochina 2 BEP.
9-8 Indochina 2 BEP.
30-8 Indochina GCMA.
2-10 Indochina 8 BPChoc.
4-10 Indochina 2 BEP.
6-10 Indochina 10 BPCP.
10-11 Indochina 1 BEP.
14-11 Indochina 1, 2 and 7 BPC.
26-11 Indochina 7 BPC.
11-12 Indochina 10 BPCP.
23-12 Indochina 1 BPVN.

1952.

8-1 Indochina 2 BPC.
25-3 Indochina 7 BPC.
25-4 Indochina 1 BPVN.
11-5 Laos 1 CCPL.
15-5 Indochina 1 BPVN.
28-5 Laos 1 CCPL.
15-6 Indochina 1 BPVN.
4-9 Indochina 3 BPC.
11-10 Indochina 3 BPC.
16-10 Indochina 6 BPC.
9-11 Indochina 1 and 2 BEP, 3 BPC.
3-12 Indochina 8 BPChoc.
12-12 Indochina 8 BPChoc.
15-12 Laos 1 BPL.
27-12 Thailand 6 BPC, 1 BPVN.

1953.

18-1 Indochina 3 BPC.
15-2 Indochina GCMA.
21-3 Indochina GCMA.
16-4 Indochina 3 BPC.
21-4 Indochina 8 BPChoc.
1-5 Indochina GCMA.
2-5 Indochina GCMA.
17-7 Indochina 2 BEP, 2 BPC, 8 BPChoc.
28-7 Indochina II/1 RCP, 3 BPVN.
30-7 Indochina GCMA.
7-8 Indochina GCMA.
6-10 Indochina GCMA Meo Guerillas.
1-11 Indochina GCMA.
19-11 Indochina GCMA.
20-11 Indochina 1 BPC, II/1 RCP, 1 BEP, 5 BPVN, 8 BPChoc.

1954.

1-3 Indochina 3rd Airborne Group.
13-3 Indochina 1 BPC, II/1 RCP, 2 BEP, 6 BPC, 5 BPVN.
6-5 Indochina GCMA.
8-5 Indochina GCMA.
7-7 Indochina GCMA.
30-12 Algeria 2 RCP.

1955.

4-7 Algeria 6 RPC.
19-8 Morocco 6 RPC.

1956.

6-4 Algeria 1 REP.
18-5 Algeria 1 REP.
9-6 Algeria 1 REP.
11-6 Algeria 2 REP.
22-6 Algeria 2 REP.
4-7 Algeria 6 RPC.
5-11 Suez 1 RPC, 2 RPC.
8-11 Algeria 14 RCP.
20-12 Cameroun 4 GCCP.

1957.

24-1 Mauritania 4 GCCP.
22-3 Algeria 20 GAP.
18-6 Algeria 9 RCP.
21-11 Algeria 3 RPC.
3-12 Algeria 3 RPC.
7-12 Algeria 3 RPC.

1958.

11-2 Morocco 7 RPC.
30-4 Algeria 1 REP.

1959.

22-7 Algeria 6 RPIM.

1960.

8-1 Algeria 3 RPC.

1961.

19-7 Tunisia 2 RPIM.

1964.

18-2 Gabon

1978.

19-5 Kolwezi, Zaire 2 REP.
20-5 Kolwezi, Zaire 2 REP.


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Thats a WHOLE lot of jumps!
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