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Old 9 January 2020, 23:54
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You could always go the Michael Bazzell route.

He practices privacy on steroids. His material was also an excellent resource for investigations.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000461477984


Very familiar. He can't stop what's out there now.
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Old 9 January 2020, 23:55
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Everyone points to the phone manufacturers but no one raises hell with the telecommunication companies. That's where your shit is getting culled from.
Nope.
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Old 9 January 2020, 23:56
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In my opinion, securing the device is easy, especially since it is usually at your hip. The only issue is when it leave your control.

Your personal info is most at risk in transit. All cell providers sell your browsing info and other info. App users sell your info as well.

Stores and malls are collecting your wifi and bluetooth signals. I've taken to turning off bluetooth and wifi when I leave the house.

This NYT series (in their opinion section for some reason) is very informative.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...y-project.html
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Old 10 January 2020, 00:02
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The only way to stop them now is to turn it off or buy a dumb phone.
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Old 10 January 2020, 00:12
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buy a dumb phone.
Worst thing you can do.

True privacy in 2020 requires abandoning anything that puts out RF. Wired is fine but takes preparation.

Sharky is also correct in what's "out there" is relatively unstoppable. Sadly some of us on this board are responsible for building and weaponizing the capabilities. We shall be judged by the appropriate deity when the time comes.
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Old 10 January 2020, 09:26
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the user community doesn't care all that much. People want the features they have to click on to launch and operate with knobs to now be omnipresent and aware of each other in a way that everything operates seamlessly and autonomously. Privacy is the third wheel behind features and efficiency. In my past life I wrote a classifier to identify malware in applications on Google play store, found lots. Software is the lowest barrier to entry into private data and best part is, the users say it's ok.
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Old 10 January 2020, 09:39
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Worst thing you can do.

True privacy in 2020 requires abandoning anything that puts out RF. Wired is fine but takes preparation.

Sharky is also correct in what's "out there" is relatively unstoppable. Sadly some of us on this board are responsible for building and weaponizing the capabilities. We shall be judged by the appropriate deity when the time comes.
Yep...security is a just a facade at this point. Some things can be "slowed" down, but not prevented.
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Old 10 January 2020, 09:56
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The only way to stop them now is to turn it off......
Even that doesn't help much considering current phones don't have removable batteries anymore so they are never actually off. I have a stash of Note 3 and Note 4 burner phones specifically because they were the last in line with removable batteries
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Reviving this thread because:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...naval-n1111636

With the San Diego Muslim terrorist, the FBI took Apple to court and got a federal judge to rule Apple had to assist. Suddenly, the FBI got into the phone (allegedly with the help a 3d party) and withdrew the suit.

Now, we are back to another terrorist incident and the FBI going back at Apple.

My opinion only - while the iphones do upgrade - the fact they got into it with the San Diego terrorist shooting would indicate to a dumb ass like me, that they can replicate it this time around.

Call me paranoid, but I suspect there is a larger effort underway to require them all to provide the FBI with a back door "key" to get past encryption whenever they decide they need to look into our phones.
The situation with Ladar Levison and Lavabit, combined with working DC, was the final issue that made me realize law enforcement is as corrupt as criminals.

On a side note I love they way Levison provided the keys.
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Old 10 January 2020, 16:31
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Worst thing you can do.

You, and several others on here know far more about this overall than I ever will. For the specific capability (or threat depending on how you look at it) that I am talking about, the dumb phone is immune. But yeah I get your point. We can talk more offline.
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Old 10 January 2020, 19:28
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We all survived into our 30's just fine without a cell phone... If you want to do evil, don't bring one. "Oh, but life today almost requires...." BS.
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Old 10 January 2020, 22:03
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This thread is a testament to the fleabag infested sludge that is everything from the phone or the PBX, and beyond.

Making it without a phone is an option, but the world is making it harder and harder, and more inconvenient.

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You, and several others on here know far more about this overall than I ever will. For the specific capability (or threat depending on how you look at it) that I am talking about, the dumb phone is immune. But yeah I get your point. We can talk more offline.
I hear ya. As long as shitbags around the world exist, the lid to Pandora’s box will remain open for the world.
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Old 10 January 2020, 22:13
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We all survived into our 30's just fine without a cell phone... If you want to do evil, don't bring one. "Oh, but life today almost requires...." BS.
I'm amazed at the number of people that can't get from point A to point B, even using Google Maps.
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Old 11 January 2020, 10:01
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...and more inconvenient.
Always the killer of security - much more convenient to drive straight up the the gate, vs a 1/4 mile vehicle obstacle course.
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Old 11 January 2020, 12:21
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Even that doesn't help much considering current phones don't have removable batteries anymore so they are never actually off. I have a stash of Note 3 and Note 4 burner phones specifically because they were the last in line with removable batteries
https://www.amazon.com/Mission-Darkness-Non-Window-Faraday-Phones/dp/B01A7MACL2
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Old 12 January 2020, 13:27
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Making it without a phone is an option, but the world is making it harder and harder, and more inconvenient.
Up until two years ago, I went without a landline, mobile phone, and credit cards for 5 years. I did all calls via paid skype and free whatsapp (before they were bought by FB). Paid for everything with cash. I could do it again.

I'm only on FB because social media is actually a thing for my wife. I was off FB for a good 5-6 years as well. I could do it again.

What's harder would be staying off the internet. Not sure that I could do that. I mean, I could but....

That said, I'm pretty sure that I know how I'd digitally "disappear" if I needed to....and still use the internet.
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Old 12 January 2020, 15:12
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I don't suggest it's impossible. I'm just suggesting it's fairly painful in consideration of how the world works now. I left Facebook several years ago and it's been difficult keeping in meaningful contact with anyone. My wife maintains an account, but because social media is used to communicate, I am missing all major happenings with friends and family. Even getting invited over for dinner is challenging. People simply forget about you when you don't have an online presence. It's akin to saying you could survive on eating pinto beans. Sure, but it sucks.

Disappearing digitally is a closing hole. Most years that I attend DefCon, there are talks about it. They've shifted from divorcing from the platforms to mitigating presence. I imagine as the oldest generation passes, things will speed up exponentially (even more than it already has).
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Old 13 January 2020, 18:47
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From today's coverage of the terrorist attack in NAS Pensacola.
They are not able to crack the devices - at least that is what they are telling the public.
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Old 13 January 2020, 19:02
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That phone didn't cause the terror attack. I realize it may have useful information, but that shouldn't allow the government to compel an organization to fundamentally weaken the security of their product for everyone. Apple also can't meaningfully help. The phone is encrypted using open standards for encryption.
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Old 13 January 2020, 19:08
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That phone didn't cause the terror attack. I realize it may have useful information, but that shouldn't allow the government to compel an organization to fundamentally weaken the security of their product for everyone. Apple also can't meaningfully help. The phone is encrypted using open standards for encryption.
See Post #31. I suspect the "Deep State" is going pass legislation to give the government the authority to compel the makers to weaken their product security.
It is a bipartisan effort and that right there should concern everyone.
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